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D&C 130:22

Items of instruction given by Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Ramus, Illinois, April 2, 1843. HC 5:323–325.

22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.

BYU Studies Quarterly > Vol. 52 > Issue 3 (2013)

The Textual Development of D&C 130:22 and the Embodiment of the Holy Ghost by Ronald E. Bartholomew

April 2, 1843. Joseph Smith was in Ramus, Illinois, presiding at a stake conference. He was accompanied by his scribe, William Clayton, and Apostle Orson Hyde. During his morning address, Elder Hyde taught that “it is our privilege to have the Father and Son dwelling in our hearts.”

In between conference sessions Joseph said, “Elder Hyde I am going to offer some corrections to you,” to which Elder Hyde replied, “They shall be thankfully received.”

William Clayton was present to hear Joseph’s corrections of Elder Hyde’s scriptural commentary and recorded them in his journal: “In correcting two points in Er Hyde’s discourse [Joseph] observed as follows, . . . ‘When the savior appears, we shall see that he is a man like unto ourselves… Also, the appearing of the father and the son in John c 14 v 23 is a personal appearing and the idea that they will dwell in a man’s heart is a sectarian doctrine and is false.’”

Clayton also noted that Joseph said the following in reference to the third member of the Godhead:

“The Holy Ghost is a personage, and a person cannot have the personage of the H. G. in his heart.”

Joseph Smith Papers (pages 70-71): William Clayton Journal

These words of Joseph Smith as recorded by William Clayton, were modified by Willard Richards and Brigham Young who were not at the meeting.

YouTube Video: The Words of Joseph Smith? By Rob Fotheringham

This is the results of that editing. The only words left from Willard Clayton’s journal is “the Holy Ghost…is a personage”

Historical Development of D&C 130:22